Michael is a German. That means he is a citizen of the EU. In Italy, this means that if he has lived here for more than five years (he has) and that he has obtained a Permanent Residency Visa (he has) that he has the legal right to access to the Italian national health care system (SSN), no questions asked. That is Italian Law.
So, it was with great anticipation that we visited our local office which handles health care (ASL22 ) (are you keeping these straight? I hope so) armed with his Permanent Residency Visa, with his German Passport, with his Italian identification card and with this Stato di Familia con Residenza ( a document proving that he lives with within the geographic area covered by ASL22 and costs 76 centissimi at your local commune) to get his Libretto di Medico (the Doctor Card -- this is the card which allows you access to a doctor who then sends you out to wherever you need to go for treatment).
The ASL22 Dude, as I will refer to the guy behind the counter from now on, glanced fleetingly at the pile of documents we placed before him and said, "No. The law has changed."
The law has changed? How?
"You need an E121 card from Germany. Without that, you can have no coverage." He turned and walked away.
Hearts beating quickly after realizing that this was not going to be the no-brainer we thought it would, we went home and started looking in the Internet. Anytime the Italian Bureaucracy Dudes ask you for something that begins with an E, it means you need to provide a document which is part of a European Initiative.
E121 is a card which Non Italian EU member retirees moving for the first time to Italy must present at the local ASL to get enrolled in the health care system.
Micha, however, had been in Italy for five years, and is not yet an official German retiree.
So, E121 does not apply.
We panicked, started looking for private coverage, requesting quotes from companies all over Europe. But Micha smelled a rat. He started digging around on the internet to find a copy of the law regarding post-five-year-European-Union residents and the Italian health care system.
Sure enough, he found the clause... that every post-five-year-European-Union-citizen who held the Permanent Residency Certification for Italy has the legal right to be enrolled in the health care system.
Please try to keep this straight. There will be a quiz afterwards.
Our printer cartridge gave out while printing this ridiculously long document out. Micha went to six stores, including where we bought the very normal, very average HP Deskjet F4180 printer and no one had the cartridge. This put our return trip to ASL22 on hold while we drove in circles to find the cartridge. But I digress into another Italian Nightmare -- shopping for necessities other than Food and Wine, specifically things computer related. Another post. Another day.
Back to the story. We finally found the cartridge, printed the document. This morning we returned to visit the ASL22 Dude. He sensed our determination and did the only thing an incompetent low level Italian bureaucrat should do at that point - he sent us upstairs.
We went upstairs to visit Signora Mazzona, the Lady in Charge, who was on the phone trying to solve some Swiss Person's Italian Health Care Horror Story when we arrived. She looked at our documents, including the Permanent Residence Certification and then said we needed an E121 card.
We strongly stated that Micha is not retired in the German system, and repeated that Micha is in posssession of the Permanent Residence Certification given only after five years of residence in Italy.
She then said we needed an E120 card, which is the card given to people who have applied for retiree status and are waiting to hear from the retirement agency of their native EU country. We said no, Micha had not APPLIED for retiree status yet.
She sighed. This was clearly not what she had in mind this morning.
We gave her a copy of the law, which we had painfully downloaded from the internet over two days. Lo and behold, she had the same document sitting on her desk.
She read. She blinked. Oh, she said, you have the Permanent Residence Certification given only after five years of Residency! I watched Micha's jugular vein. Pa-pump. Pa-Pump. We bit our tongues and smiled sweetly. Si, we said excitedly, as if she had just split the atom before our very eyes.
She then proceeded to call downstairs to ASL22 Dude's supervisor and read her the riot act in such a loud tone that it embarrassed us.
"He has the RIGHT to the system!! WHY ON EARTH DID YOU NOT LOOK AT HIS DOCUMENTS? WHAT DID YOU SEND HIM UP HERE FOR? I AM SENDING HIM DOWN AND YOU WILL GIVE HIM THE LIBRETTO DI MEDICO IMMEDIATELY!!!"
We thanked the Signora, and went downstairs.
By this time, ASL22 Dude's supervisor was on her way upstairs for a formal dressing down. We walked up to ASL22 Dude's window. He says, " I'm not giving you anything! Go back upstairs!" and walked away. Again.
We went back up stairs, listening to the screeching coming out of Signora Mazzona's office. I opened the door. Signora Mazzona stopped shouting at the supervisor, turned to me and said, "Yes, what is it?" and I told her that ASL22 Dude had sent us back up. Why, she asked. I have no idea, I said.
She put her hand on her forehead. I thought she might faint. ASL Dude's supervisor took the chance to escape, and led us out of Signora Mazzona's office and calmy walked with us back downstairs, where she printed out a Libretto di Medico for Micha, and said good-bye to us in the nicest of tones.
ASL22 Dude did not even look up.
So there you have it. Micha has his libretto, ASL22 Dude still has a job for which he is not the slightest bit qualified, his boss took the heat for him, and we are now buddies with the Lady in Charge.
25 comments:
Good thing you posted this Diana! My in-laws are still with no libretto... can you give me the law number please?
This is such a classic Italy story. Classic!
Gloria -- Ministero Della Salute Protocollo DG RUER1/11/12712/I.3.b
Oggetto: Diritto di siggiorno per i cittadini comunitari direttiva 38/2004 e Digs 3 Febbraio 2007 n.30
number 4 on the list....
Diana, I could feel my blood pressure rising as I read this -- what a jerk (to put it mildly!)
I suppose there is something about the power of bureaucracies that attracts people like this guy. A chance to be a jerk with impunity.
I've been getting the runaround applying for my Irish passport, but I get the sense that no one can quite touch Italy for bizarre bureaucracies.
Cara Diana,
We had a similar experience - with an ignorant (yet friendly) bureaucrat. My husband has not yet reached his formal retirement age (he has a private insurance until 65). We managed to solve his "case" by adding him to my E121, thanks to less formal Swedish authorities. Our Italian friends always say "In Italy everything is possible." You just have to conjure up "by-passes"! Bacione, Ingrid
Incredibile...
I'm sure it was a nightmare to live it, but the story is just SO entertaining to a reader like me! Great writing! This could evolve into a movie like "Office Space" only the "boss" is the Italian bureaucracy!
Cheers,
Cameron
I'm still amazed that the problem we solved in just 2 visits! I'm just glad your "friend" at the USL office is the superior of your 'enemy'! Well done!
oh boy and I thought government stories here (in Canada) were crazy-nuts!
Good god. How annoying.
Marco says that the bureaucracy in France is light-years ahead of that in Italy. Another reason he left and came here.
*sigh*
Yea. Heard this before.
Having worked in the American medical field, and several Intensive Care Units in American hospitals (named amongst the top 10 hospitals in the US), I actually have nightmare stories about the bureaucracy in the American health system, too.
US health insurance companies *shudder*
Despite the challenges, I'm happy you were able to work things out. I like that.
People who face challenges, and persevere...
You are now buddies with the right person, how does that other person have their job!!!!
As I am reading it, I can feel me getting higher in my seat :-) I can actually picture you there, and getting rather fretful!
All sorted! :-)
Your friend Sandrac's Irish passport should be easy..compared to this.
Whew! I'm glad that experience is over for you!
Very frustrating thing to go thru, but at least you found someone in a "power position" who agreed with you.
Man this story gave me flashbacks to when I had to get my residency.
While it's not funny, the way you wrote the post was hysterical. I agree the ASL22 dude sounds like a character from The Office.
I know these jobs are not very exciting and can be frustrating but come on! Do your job. I almost got into fisticuffs with a woman at the DMV in D.C.
Unbelievable.....
This is surely a classic Italian tale! We have had Italian health coverage from the get-go, but we've paid for it. After paying American health coverage premiums and co-pays, the less than E 300 annual coverage for two people seems way more than reasonable. All we required was proof of residence - and some euros. It's an alternative. But I love your blow-by-blow - can picture every bit of it all too vividly!
Oh man, you left me breathless! A similar thing happened to a friend of mine, however, having a dramatic streak she burst into tears in front of the guy, and as you know Italian men are suckers for crying foreign girls. She had her card in five minutes...Can I ask you something? can I please, please repost this (linking back of course) to my blog? I think my readers would get a kick out of your story...
Thanks, guys. It was an event, one of those Italian experiences that we will tell and retell.
Please feel free to go ahead and repost it, just please put in a link back to Creative Structures. Thanks!
Boy, that story is soooo Italy and soooo familiar. My friends (and co-owners) in San Giorgio Scarampi had a similar experience when they tried to get a residenza. They'd done their research in the US, visited the Italian embassy in San Francisco and been assured that they qualified and it would be no problem. Italian "Jobs Worth" Dude said "no!" and made them feel like criminals. That was the end of their attempt to get residency. Though I've tried to get them to try again and to push harder, they just won't risk it again. Sigh!
Fern, the thing was, the guy (ASL22 Dude) was denying Micha access to the system ENTIRELY. No way to join and pay. That was what was so bizzare. It was as if the E121 card was the Key to Heaven or something. We can look back and laugh now....
And we want to live in Italy? Goodness, if that's the treatment a long-time EU citizen gets, I can't imagine what happens to the straniere. This COULDN'T be a TV show episode, NOBODY would believe it! I hate it when I know more of my rights than the person who should be granting them. Kudos for persevering
Better watch out - you might be asked by FOX tv to be on a TV show about the evils of state run medicine!
The best thing about such situation (the only good thing, really) is that incredible sense you get when you prevail against the roadblocks!
What a nightmare! I can just picture it all. Glad it worked out your way. Does that mean that Micha can keep this card forever?
girasoli, it expires, in true Italian fashion, in 2099. :)
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